El Paso County Sherriff's Office and the Nat'l Sheriff's Assn notice:

As a progressive gun owner, I have this to say regarding the EPSO and the Nat'l Sheriff's Assn notice:

The NRA doesn't represent the individual gun owners, but most don't know this-the NRA represents only the gun manufacturers.

I am a gun owner, and believe that gun owners have a DUTY to be part of the solution to prevent tragedies. It is not enough to scream about 2nd amendment rights, as that amendment was created during a time when militia members had to bring their own weapons to battle, and there was no such thing as an automatic of any kind.

NO TRAGEDY is a simple, one-issue ordeal. Every situation must be analyzed.

As a gun owner I think it's our duty to regulate and be safe-law enforcement does this, the military does this, and even public gun ranges control access and shooting privileges. As should we. (how many shootings are there on military installations going back through history?)

Lets look at the state of our culture -I was reading recently about the spike in gun sales after the Aurora shooting and then again after the POTUS won reelection- buyers often tend to be of the mindset that they're in constant danger (despite the fact that the FBI and NCIS state that violent crime is down compared to recent years) and because they also believe that every shooting and every democrat will use the event to take away all guns, when that has NEVER happened ever-no one has ever even suggested taking away ALL guns, so that's just craziness to go out and buy things you may not need and may not have the money to invest in. Insanity. My husband told me that several of his soldiers wanted to buy guns after Obama was reelected, based on lies and rumors, even though Obama has made clear he would never take away all guns-my husband had to council those young soldiers that even though they want to run out and buy guns, they can't afford to do so and must prioritize their bills.... see what insanity and lies do to people? We even, here in our area, have lying radio commercials that lead people to believe that the government is going to take all their guns, when educated people, such as city counsel members, county commissioners, and law enforcement officials should all know and speak the FACTS rather than promoting fear mongering among those who are NOT educated to the facts.

We can't just call everything a mental health issue. Lets discuss hate groups-the guy who shot innocent people at the Sikh gurdwara (temple) in WI. Should we deny fire arms to all who are members of faith/race-based hate groups who are known to be aggressive historically? I don't hear anyone screaming for bans on weapons to KKK members or other white supremacist group members who "could" behave in such a deathly way.  The guy who shot Gabby Giffords AND 18 others-politically motivated? He is believed to be incompetent, but speculated to dislike all politicians regardless of their affiliation.

If more guns made things safer America would logically have the lowest murder rate on Earth-but we don't, and we must, as gun owners, reflect on this and hold our society responsible.

I am a gun owner who loves to shoot. I'm a retired veteran who grew up in a hunting family and am married to an active duty soldier who has more than 22yrs. There's a reason the Army "trains as they fight." I'm a woman who believes that all women can benefit from training with handguns because of how the achievement can benefit and empower them-but not everyone is inclined to learn and train with weapons.

We must also consider the fact that Ronald Reagan supported the 1994 Assault weapons ban, after he and Brady were shot, and that many state supreme courts have upheld state level assault weapon bans as constitutional.

The right to bear arms is protected by the Second Amendment, but it is not absolute and lawmakers have introduced a series of common-sense restrictions. For instance, in the Heller case, the Supreme Court found that while a handgun ban is not constitutional, because handguns are in “common use,” a machine gun is not and therefore could be restricted. An assault weapon equipped with a clip that can shoot hundreds of rounds would likely fall into the same category. As conservative Justice Antonin Scalia wrote, “the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns.”

Also, as a gun owner, lets just put the cards on the table... not one of us keeps an assault weapon on the living room wall, or in our car, for that matter, loaded, let alone readily accessible. Many folks keep all firearms locked up or in a place that it would not be readily accessible if someone broke into our homes, So to say we need assault weapons is pure... balderdash.

As a gun owner, I believe we can preserve the 2nd amendment, but ALSO keep people safe. And it is our duty to do so.

We can't buy an M1Abrams tank, and battlefield small arms have no business in our homes either (yes, my husband and I differ on this matter); battlefield weapons, obscene amounts of ammunition, and massive magazines are not necessary in our homes (though, admittedly, they're a lot of fun to shoot, and larger magazines are preferable-who wants to reload constantly)- we MUST reflect on this now.

Stephen King stated in his book, "...pro-gun forces in this country...must accept responsibility, recognizing that responsibility is not culpability   (I disagree, not acting makes us culpable.) They need to say, 'we support these measures not because the law demand we support them, but because it's the sensible thing.'"

I am personally disappointed with the EPSO for blindly trying to cater to the voters rather than taking a logical and responsible and sensible stand on this issue. Just because taking the responsible and sensible stand would be difficult, doesn't mean it isn't the right thing to do.


Rev. Renée Lynn Ten Eyck
published in the El Paso County and Fountain Valley News

"The only way to keep people safe is to allow people better access to their constitutional right of self defense. Gun Free Zones and lockdowns clearly don't help protect kids. Connecticut Banned assault weapons, btw." my response to Facebook comment by Edward H.:·

I know all about Conn's ban, and if assault weapons make us safer, we should be the safest country in the world, but we're not. I'm a gun owner, Edward. No one is coming for your commonly used guns (normal handguns and rifles). No one will take your M4 if you currently own one. You simply will not be allowed to purchase any more new. As gun owners, we have a DUTY to be part of the solution to prevent tragedies. It is not enough to fear-monger about 2nd Amendment rights; as gun owners, it is our duty to regulate and be safe. Law enforcement does this, the military does this, and even public gun ranges control access and shooting privileges. As should we.

Also, Edward, The right to bear arms is protected by the Second Amendment, but it is not absolute and lawmakers have introduced a series of common-sense restrictions. For instance, in the Heller case, the Supreme Court found that while a handgun ban is not constitutional, because handguns are in “common use,” a machine gun is not and therefore could be restricted. An assault weapon equipped with a clip that can shoot hundreds of rounds would likely fall into the same category. As conservative Justice Antonin Scalia wrote, “the Second Amendment does not protect those weapons not typically possessed by law-abiding citizens for lawful purposes, such as short-barreled shotguns.”

 Also, as a gun owner, let’s put the cards on the table... not one of us keeps an assault weapon on the living room wall, or in our car, for that matter, loaded, let alone readily accessible. Many folks keep all firearms locked up or in a place that it would not be readily accessible if someone broke into our homes, So to say that we need assault weapons in our homes is pure... balderdash.

 Edward, the items that the White House is focusing on in NO WAY diminish our 2nd Amendment rights to defend ourselves:

• Require background checks for all gun sales
• Strengthen the background check system for gun sales
• Pass a new, stronger ban on assault weapons
• Limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds
• Finish the job of getting armor-piercing bullets off the streets
• Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime
• End the freeze on gun violence research
• Make our schools safer with new resource officers and counselors, better emergency response plans, and more nurturing school climates
• Ensure quality coverage of mental health treatment, particularly for young people

It's irrational to demand insane requirements to vote but not to buy firearms. It's also irrational when you realize that you must register AND insure your car to be able to drive it (and, on that note, since we've all registered our cars, the gov't has NOT come to take them away, despite traffic deaths and drunk drivers) but there are no such requirements for firearms. You can't privately buy a tank or a 50 Cal, and so have no need to buy other battlefield small arms. Like I said, the "need- the-assault-weapon-for-protection" argument doesn't hold water since NO ONE uses assault weapons for self defense. Those of us who have them, keep them locked in a secure cabinet, out of reach. Most NORMAL people use hand guns to carry for self defense. Most NORMAL people don't even keep rifles on the living room wall anymore-we keep them locked away, not quickly accessible for self defense. That's the cards-on-the-table fact.


here is more of the later conversation, with his points in small print and my responses in capital letters:

Ok Edward, here goes:

• Require background checks for all gun sales (this would require a national gun registry which would make future confiscation very easy-THERE ARE MILLIONS OF WEAPONS IN THIS COUNTRY THAT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO TAKE-NO ONE HAS TAKEN CARS WHICH KILL MILLIONS EACH YEAR-NO ONE WILL TAKE YOUR GUNS)
• Strengthen the background check system for gun sales (crazy people and criminals hsoulnd't get guns-HOW WILL YOU, AS A GUN SALESMAN, DETERMINE WHO IS SANE? IT'S NOT ALWAYS PHYSICALLY OBVIOUS)
• Pass a new, stronger ban on assault weapons (these are ineffective and all about cosmetic features, meaningless and wouldn't have stopped any of the recent mass shootings-YOU'RE RIGHT, THAT THE PAST BAN WAS PRIMARILY BASED ON COSMETIC FEATURES AND THAT NEEDS TO BE ADDRESSED IN A FUTURE BAN-BASE IT ON FUNCTIONALITY)
• Limit ammunition magazines to 10 rounds (Police and law enforecement believe they need more than 10 rounds to defend against criminals, I agree.-DITTO)
• Finish the job of getting armor-piercing bullets off the streets (zero deaths have resulted from armor peircing bullets, they are largely unavailabe and use mainly for hunting large game. AP rounds in handguns are already illegal-I'M PERSONALLY LESS CONCERNED WITH THIS ONE-DRUG CARTELS OR GANGS??)
• Give law enforcement additional tools to prevent and prosecute gun crime (huh? they don't even enforce the laws on the books look at David Gregory-THERE ARE LAWS THAT NEED TO BE ENFORCED, BUT THERE ARE ALSO LAWS THAT NEED TO BE REVISED OR ELIMINATED AND REWRITTEN)
• End the freeze on gun violence research (this would be great as long they actually look at how the counties with the lowest murder rates and lowest violence all have the highest levels of firearms ownership-AGREED-THERE'S A GOOD BOOK BY JOHN LOTT CALLED THE BIAS AGAINST GUNS AND HE HAS GOOD DATA AND POINTS)
• Make our schools safer with new resource officers and counselors, better emergency response plans, and more nurturing school climates (this still doesn't allow teachers to defend themselves or their students but thsi is fine.NO GUNS IN CLASSROOMS-YOU WANT TEACHERS SHOOTING OUR KIDS? GOOGLE ANDREW PHILIP KEHOE, WHO WAS A SCHOOL BOARD TREASURER IN 1927-HE IS KNOWN AS ONE OF THE FIRST MASS SCHOOL MURDERERS FOR KILLING HIS WIFE, 43 STUDENTS, AND TEACHERS.  THEN THERE'S THE DUMB@$$ IN MICHIGAN WHO LEFT HIS GUN IN A STUDENT RESTROOM RECENTLY http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/18/16590086-school-security-guard-in-michigan-leaves-gun-in-bathroom-officials-say?lite  -PUT AN OFFICER AT THE DOOR, BUT NO GUNS IN CLASS ROOMS)
• Ensure quality coverage of mental health treatment, particularly for young people (this may actually be effective and is a great idea.-)-WE CAN'T JUST CALL EVERYTHING A MENTAL HEALTH ISSUE. LETS DISCUSS HATE GROUPS-THE GUY WHO SHOT INNOCENT PEOPLE AT THE SIKH GURDWARA (TEMPLE) IN WI. SHOULD WE DENY FIRE ARMS TO ALL WHO ARE MEMBERS OF FAITH/RACE-BASED HATE GROUPS WHO ARE KNOWN TO BE AGGRESSIVE HISTORICALLY? I DON'T HEAR ANYONE SCREAMING FOR BANS ON WEAPONS TO KKK MEMBERS OR OTHER WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUP MEMBERS WHO "COULD" BEHAVE IN SUCH A DEATHLY WAY.  THE GUY WHO SHOT GABBY GIFFORDS AND 18 OTHERS-POLITICALLY MOTIVATED? HE IS BELIEVED TO BE INCOMPETENT, BUT SPECULATED TO DISLIKE ALL POLITICIANS REGARDLESS OF THEIR AFFILIATION. 
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battlefield small arms are illegal. Police and law enforcement believe that A semi-automatic carbine with a 30 round magazine and a Semi-automatic handgun with 15+ rounds are the best tools we have to defend and protect us from criminals, I agree with the Police and I have a right to have the same tools to protect me and my family since the supreme court has ruled that police have ZERO duty to protect us. NOT ALL LAW ENFORCEMENT THINKS THAT-MANY LAW ENFORCEMENT IN CITIES ARE OUTNUMBERED -LOOK AT BALTIMORE AND CHICAGO-AND WANT CERTAIN ARMS TO BECOME BANNED. IN ADDITION, RET GENERAL MCCHRISTAL HAS EVEN STATED THAT ASSAULT STYLE WEAPONS ARE DESIGNED FOR THE BATTLEFIELD. HE CAN ATTEST TO THE DAMAGE THEY DO. I STILL DON'T BUY THE "WE-NEED-THEM-FOR-SELF-DEFENSE" ARGUMENT BECAUSE NO ONE IN THIS COUNTRY IS DEFENDING THEMSELVES WITH AN AR-15.
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Citizens should have access to the same tools CIVILIAN Law enforcement does (I DISAGREE). You are not for gun control you are for only police having scary looking guns. If these things are so bad and no one other than the military needs them then take them from the Police too. (I DISAGREE WITH THIS TOO-WE'LL AGREE TO DISAGREE)
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You don't get to decide for me what is necessary to defend MY family and property. Everyone is different, everyone's needs are different, also the AR-15 IS A hunting rifle and is actually a fairly low powered rifle. It is the most popular hunting rifle in the country. You arguments are based on emotion and ignore fact. Handguns kill more than any rifle, shotguns kill more than any rifle and all the places with the most gun control and the LEAST guns in this country have the highest murder rates  I AM NOT THE ONE DECIDING WHAT YOU CAN USE FOR DEFENSE. I'M TELLING YOU, AND I AM ALSO A GUN OWNER, THAT THIS DEFENSE ARGUMENT DOESN'T HOLD WATER.  I'D BET HUGE THAT ANYTHING BIGGER THAN A HANDGUN IN YOUR HOME IS LOCKED UP AND THEREFORE NOT ACCESSIBLE QUICKLY IF SOMEONE BREAKS IN. AND IF YOU CLAIM YOU NEED IT IN CASE THE GOV'T DOES SOMETHING.... YOUR AR15 IS NOTHING AGAINST THE LARGER WEAPONS AT THE GOV'T'S DISPOSAL.  I PERSONALLY LIKE THE AR15-IT'S A LOT OF FUN TO SHOOT. BUT I DON'T FEEL I NEED TO HAVE IT IF IT WILL MAKE OTHERS SAFER. I'M NOT THE ONE WHO'S EMOTIONAL ON THIS-IT IS YOU WHO ARE EMOTIONAL ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF NOT BEING ABLE TO BUY MORE ASSAULT WEAPONS. AS FAR AS HANDGUN DEATHS, THAT'S REALLY A DIFFERENT DISCUSSION, AND I'M THE FIRST PERSON TO PROMOTE THE DATA ON DEFENSIVE HAND GUN USE, WHICH IS OFTEN OVERLOOKED OR IGNORED BY THOSE WHO WANT TO DO AWAY WITH ALL GUNS. I HAVE READ THE ASSAULT WEAPONS BANS (VERY BORING READING, ACTUALLY) AND READ JOHN LOTT AND OTHER (BOOK-THE BIAS AGAINST GUNS) BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO FIND THE COMMON GROUND-WHICH IS THAT NEITHER YOU NOR I WANT INNOCENT PEOPLE TO BE HURT OR KILLED. THAT'S THE FOUNDATION. FROM THE FOUNDATION, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? AS GUN OWNERS, YOU AND I BOTH HAVE A DUTY TO MAKE SOCIETY SAFER.

 Renee's rant after this guy's continual ignorance:

" never mind this one, Lionel-he's so stuck on his guns that he can't see past the blinders on his face. he is absolutely inflexible and tyrannical and the conspiracy theorist whose conspiracies have never, and will never come to fruition. All he cares about is his guns-nothing more. Most gun-freaks are this way. Even my own husband has gone overboard, freaking out that "OMG! I might not be able to buy assault rifles any more-never mind that we have our own armory here-it's not good enough. It's become so ingrained in our culture to oppose any regulation, despite the fact that nearly every other area of our lives are regulated in some way, that the mere possibility of regulation sends guns freaks over the edge, into a spiral, unable to see anything but what they believe to be their rights. It doesn't matter how many Gabriella Giffords are shot, how many Sikh gurdwara's or Jewish temples are shot up, or how many classes full of kids are shot, either at a K-12 school or a college or a theatre or anywhere.. All that matters to these gun freaks is their PERCEIVED rights-no one else's right to a safe life trumps their right to the extreme toys. They are the most inflexible and inconsiderate people in our country. I'm a gun owner and I'm willing to be flexible, knowing that the MAJORITY of guns types will still be available to most law abiding citizens. His view is very rigid and trumps any ones else's right to safety."

Petition submission to Planned Parenthood re: birth control and the Affordable Care Act

For millions of us (including more than 90% of Catholics) birth control is a deeply personal and serious health issue.  I use birth control, which my husband and I both agree on, not only to keep my family stable with two children, which is very important to us financially, but a specific birth control was prescribed to me to control hormone issues that my body does not control on its own. 

Single men and women are not the only people who use birth control.  The personal lives of many married couples will also suffer if they don't want more children, or if the health of wives suffers due to inability to obtain simple birth control which is known to help with many female medical issues.

It has already been determined in many recent cases that providing benefits to employees does not jeopardize the employer's religious rights, since, as an employee, I can choose to spend my salary on whatever I choose, but I can also choose which medicines I get thru my benefits, to which I contribute.
 “The burden of which plaintiffs complain is that funds, which plaintiffs will contribute to a group health plan, might, after a series of independent decisions by health care providers and patients covered by [an employer's health] plan, subsidize someone else’s participation in an activity that is condemned by plaintiffs’ religion. . . . [Federal religious freedom law] is a shield, not a sword. It protects individuals from substantial burdens on religious exercise that occur when the government coerces action one’s religion forbids, or forbids action one’s religion requires; it is not a means to force one’s religious practices upon others. [It] does not protect against the slight burden on religious exercise that arises when one’s money circuitously flows to support the conduct of other free-exercise-wielding individuals who hold religious beliefs that differ from one’s own.”

“[T]he health care plan will offend plaintiffs’ religious beliefs only if an employee (or covered family member) makes an independent decision to use the plan to cover counseling related to or the purchase of contraceptives. Already, [plaintiffs] pay salaries to their employees—money the employees may use to purchase contraceptives or to contribute to a religious organization. By comparison, the contribution to a health care plan has no more than a de minimus impact on the plaintiff’s religious beliefs than paying salaries and other benefits to employees.”

“A key insight in this opinion is that salaries and health insurance can be used to buy birth control, so if religious employers really object to enabling their employees to buy birth control, they would have to not pay them money in addition to denying them comprehensive health insurance. An employer cannot assert a religious objection to how their employees choose to use their own benefits or their own money, because religious freedom is not a license to “force one’s religious practices upon others.””
Source: http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2012/10/01/931671/bush-appointed-judge-rejects-catholic-employers-challenge-to-birth-control-access-rules/

Employers receive income tax deductions for the contribution, so their out-of-pocket cost is less than the value of the benefit to the employee. Self-employed individuals can deduct 100 percent of their health insurance premium costs as a business expense. They can deduct 100 percent of premiums for their employees. If the business is incorporated, all costs for the owner’s own insurance as well as his/her employees' are deductible.  Therefore, the employer’s contribution to anything that specifically benefits an employee that might be against the employer’s religious beliefs is minimal, and, once again, no different than the employee using their salary to purchase contraception, or marijuana, for that matter.
Economically, families, society, and this country benefit from contraception, and this is proven. What would you do if your employer believed only in the power of prayer and refused to allow you access to ANY medical coverage? What if I, as an employer, believe ONLY in the power of sweat lodges and shamanic practice for healing?

No one is calling for an end to coverage for hysterectomies or vasectomies, both of which prevent pregnancy, but are costly and invasive, OR Viagra.... Men want Viagra, but extremists want women to "put an aspirin between their knees," as recommended by Santorum supporter Foster Friess.  The argument that Viagra promotes life doesn’t hold water, since it is marketed primarily to older men whose women are largely at the end of or beyond their child-bearing years, and for whom their sexual intimacy and ability to perform dramatically affect their wellbeing, and the wellbeing of their relationships.  Furthermore, the same men who state to “put an aspirin between our knees are the same men who desire Viagra and expect a sex life with their wives.  So this burden of controlling family status falls equally on the husbands and men in our lives, though society is not talking in those terms, focusing on the misconception that only single women use birth control.   

Here are two excerpts about Dr. John Rock, a devout Catholic who pioneered contraception:
"Another opponent of the Catholic ban was John Rock, a devout Catholic doctor who taught at Harvard Medical School and who would become one of the leading clinical researchers responsible for developing the pill. Rock held that contraception was sometimes medically necessary and often personally desirable for maintaining happy marriages and well-planned families. He also believed that birth control was essential for those who could not afford many children. Rock was by no means a radical. He was a solid Republican and didn’t approve of sex outside of marriage. But he openly defied the Catholic Church and state laws."  “Today, according to the Guttmacher Institute, more than 99 percent of sexually experienced women report having used contraception. But we are once again debating whether women should have access to birth control. Fifty years ago, John Rock, the socially conservative, Catholic, Republican doctor, insisted that birth control was consistent with church teachings. He believed that contraception was essential for women’s health and well-being, family happiness, and the good of society. The vast majority of Americans of all faiths and political parties agreed with him at the time. And they still do.”
(http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/how-the-catholic-church-almost-came-to-accept-birth-control/2012/02/21/gIQAdy1JYR_story_1.html)

“Rock had witnessed the suffering women endured from unwanted pregnancies. He had seen collapsed wombs, premature aging, and desperation caused by too many mouths to feed. The experiences of his patients had a profound impact on the man. Despite his faithful Catholicism and the church's opposition to contraceptives, Rock came to support contraception within the confines of marriage. Although he never went as far as to endorse birth control purely as a woman's right, Rock believed in the power of birth control to stem poverty and prevent medical problems associated with pregnancy.”
(http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/pill/peopleevents/p_rock.html)
This extreme religious agenda is not only about women’s health rights. This agenda will not just affect what jobs women can get; it will affect all areas of our family’s life, and will even affect our families through the jobs our husbands have, if the husband’s job provides health coverage for the family.  During a time when employment and unemployment are already difficult, even distressing, the thought of introducing MORE employment problems by allowing employers to choose what health coverage we should have is directly in opposition to the best interests of families and society economically, as well as mentally and emotionally.  It is not simply a matter of finding an employer who offers the health coverage that we desire.  For those with jobs, it would be a painstaking task to try to find another job, and for those of us without jobs, this would be one more frustration, fear and obstacle to finding suitable employment.  And for the families that need two incomes, this is a critical component of their lives that no church or government has the right to interfere with. In a time when many families are in dire need of two incomes, these religious contraception issues are not as cut and dry as the Vatican would like you to believe.

Amendment 1 of the Bill of Rights:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

This also includes freedom from religion. In other words, no one gets to force their beliefs, which work for them, on others.  All peoples of all cultures, religions and races and belief systems make up this country, and no one religion or religious belief system can dominate everyone else.  The issue of contraception is a political football, and is a strong moral issue.  People get to define these things ONLY for themselves.  The government does not get to define these things, nor should an employer.  If a person chooses to live by his or her religious law, that works for him/her, but employers, government, and churches, DO NOT get to force those beliefs on others in a country that not only is a melting pot of different cultures, races, religions, belief systems, and even varying degrees of belief and observance within the established religions.  In the perception of many, using contraception for prevention IS BEING RESPONSIBLE.  That is their choice.  It is MY family's choice.  Family planning is a critical economic issue for families, society, and the country at large.
Namaste and Great Spirit Bless,
Reverend Renée Lynn Ten Eyck

Letter to President Obama, Vice President Biden, and Governor Hickenlooper re: gun control

December 30, 2012

President Barack Obama

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Re: gun law changes

Dear Mr. President:

Thank you for all you do!  I would like to offer my thoughts on this issue. I know you have what may seem like an insurmountable effort in front of you to find some reasonable resolution.  I know first hand, since, as a former republican (more of a centrist, depending on the issue) and a gun owner, I encounter a lot of hostility and disagreement when I try to find middle ground between progressives and conservative gun owners-my husband included.  There are so many, many facets to this issue, not just 2^nd Amendment rights and not just gun access.  It is a very big puzzle, of which there only seem to be a few pieces on the discussion table. NO TRAGEDY is a simple, one-issue ordeal. Every situation must be analyzed.  Mental health practices and services. ammunition access laws, background checks on private sales, and, yes, the DATA ON THE DEFENSIVE USE OF GUNS must also be considered, though, admittedly, I have had a hard time trying to find what I believe to be credible statistics  Actually, the few credible sources I discovered indicate that criminal gun use is more prevalent than defensive gun use.  Never-the-less, to be fair, we must acknowledge that guns sometimes do save lives and property, and we must try to find a way to evaluate ALL pieces of the larger puzzle.

·         I am a gun owner, and believe that gun owners have a duty to be part of the solution to prevent tragedies. It is not enough to scream about 2nd Amendment rights, as that amendment was created during a time when militia members had to bring their own weapons to battle, and there was no such thing as an automatic of any kind.  ‎"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."  It was also to be "well-regulated" and "necessary;" in that time, to be armed was to own a musket, which took time to reload, and shot one musket ball at a time.  We have a military and law enforcement now. We did not have a well-sourced military or law enforcement when this law was ratified. And I do not buy the argument that our weapons have grown as the reach of government has grown, since I doubt that most of us could agree enough on a definition of tyranny to come to a conclusion that the government has become a tyranny.  Furthermore, even if citizens could agree on a definition of tyranny, the idea that citizens could use the 2^nd Amendment to get control of the government is absurd at best.  Times have changed, technology has changed, so the laws must change.  Gun owners must be part of the discussion, and the solution.

·         School is for academics. The NRA does not represent the individual gun owners, but most gun owners don't know this-the NRA represents only the gun manufacturers.  Teachers are the experts at their life-calling: teaching.  I'm sure some are skilled shooters as well, but let them do what they are the experts in.  Law enforcement officers are the experts at what they do, but I do not want them in school buildings.  In addition, we have to keep things in perspective-schools are still the safest place for our children in this country, which atrocities like Newtown make us forget.  "Schools are [still] among the safest places for children and adolescents in our country, and, in fact, crime in schools has been trending downward for more than a decade."  http://www.ed.gov/blog/2012/12/resources-for-schools-to-prepare-for-and-recover-from-crisis/  Other things to consider with regard to arming teachers:

• Will we pay them hazardous duty pay if they're going to be expected to defend they way police and soldiers do?  Apparently some people already believe our teachers are not worth the little we pay them now.

• What is to stop educational staff from “going postal” on students or having their firearms wrestled from them and used on them and the class?  There is a reason why ZERO fire arms are allowed in prisons-because, those weapons can be taken and can be used to cause more harm than good. Even in the military, unless you are a military police officer, or are in a combat zone, you are FORBIDDEN to carry a firearm on duty-even when we perform 24 hour, or security duties. It's so easy to just say "let's arm everyone," but I am a gun owner and a shooter and I believe that nothing is that simple.  

• Who is going to pay to arm and train teachers?

·         This is a complex issue -I am not trying to shift the conversation to Aurora; I want to make the point that all events will be complex, investigations will be ongoing, and that there are likely to be multiple issues contributing to the event, not just the shooter's access to guns. For example, in the Aurora shooting,

"What must be cleared up first is that there is a difference between the state and municipal laws and the rules set by the Century 16 movie theater where the grisly shooting took place. The theater had a ban on walking in with firearms, and also on concealed carry permit holders from bringing their guns on the premises. The theater’s rules were quite restrictive, but did not prevent the shooter from committing the crime anyway."

"Aurora’s municipal laws disallow having a concealed carry for a “dangerous weapon,” discharging a firearm if not an official member of law enforcement, and having a loaded firearm in a vehicle. While the shooter broke all of these laws, they also prevented law abiding citizens from shooting back and stopping him."

SCC’s national spokesman, David Burnett, said after the Colorado Supreme Court decision to allow concealed carry on college campuses, “Gun-free policies are an open invitation to psychopaths. Signs on the doors are an unenforceable lie that only robs licensed citizens of their ability to defend themselves. Until colleges can guarantee our safety, they can’t criminalize self-defense.” Gun Laws State by State-CO

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     We must realize that crimes have in fact, gone down since 1990 (in general). I like comedian John Fugelsang’s statement “If more guns made things safer America would logically have the lowest murder rate on Earth.”  In the long run, even gun owners, we must question the claim that guns make America a safer place.

·         As a gun owner I think it's our duty to regulate and be safe-law enforcement does this, the military does this, and even public gun ranges control access and shooting privileges.  There is not a military installation where you can have your personal firearms in your quarters or on your person without registering them that I am aware of, and we should consider how few attacks there have ever been on military installations.  Even state conceal carry laws do not apply on federal installations, so service members who happen to have permits may not conceal-carry on the installation.  Only the installations that permit hunting allow anyone to transport firearms in their vehicles, and those firearms must be registered on the installation, to the best of my knowledge.

·         We must look at the state of our culture -I was reading recently about the spike in gun sales after the Aurora shooting and then again after you won reelection- buyers often tend to be of the mindset that they're in constant danger (despite the fact that violent crime is down compared to past years) and because they also believe that after every shooting, every democrat will use the event to take away all guns, when that has never happened.  We are using anything we can to justify buying guns we may not need and may not have the money to invest in.  My husband told me that several of his soldiers wanted to buy guns after your reelection, based on lies and rumors, even though you had made clear you would never take away all guns-my husband had to council those young soldiers that even though they want to impulsively buy guns, they can't afford to do so and must prioritize their bills.... see what insanity and lies do to people?  

·         We must be careful when it comes to mental health issues.  If we decide to make this information public, who will decide which people and which diagnoses are safe and which are not?  Will laws be made deciding that ALL with current medical diagnoses of certain conditions are ineligible to own firearms, even if they truly pose no threat? There are millions of people across the country who own some sort of weapon, and who need help with something in the mental health realm, but who are law-abiding and who value life.  Also, once we drag someone's mental health issues into the public realm, we jeopardize their jobs and livelihood.  I am not saying we ignore this issue, but I think we must analyze every aspect of it from all angles-with doctors, mental health professionals, gun owners, legal representatives, and progressives, and victims and every sector represented as part of the discussion.   This is so very sensitive.  We also let go of archaic beliefs that we don’t interfere with others’ business; we must find a way to better help those around us who are struggling.  

·         We must discuss hate groups-the guy who shot innocent people at the Sikh gurdwara (temple) in WI (This shooter used only a 9mm hand gun).  Should we deny fire arms to all who are members of faith/race-based hate groups who are known to be aggressive historically?  I don't hear anyone screaming for bans on weapons to KKK members or other white supremacist group members who "could" behave in such a deathly way, though, I would guess that these members are more likely to cause destruction than most typical people.  I recall reading about soldiers who were arrested in Georgia for plotting a coup d’ etat; I understand that you receive many, many threats yearly.  Don’t these things blur the line between patriotism and terrorism?  Are guns making us safer?  I honestly cannot say that guns are making us safer when I look at Representative Gabrielle Giffords and all those who were with her who suffered and died.  And Loughner did not even use an assault weapon but managed to injure and kill nearly 20 people.  People seem to forget that (intentionally-on purpose?) Loughner caused nearly as much harm using just a pistol.

I want to address one more thing that may or may not be on your mind regarding gun crime, or any crime.  I keep seeing references to putting bibles “back” in schools:

School is for academics. Home and religious locations are for learning religious beliefs of any kind.  Atheists make up less than .2% of prison populations.  Those with no particular religious preference total less than 11% of prison populations. Christians make up over 80% of inmates. Religious prisoners (of all religions) total 89%... 

In addition, the vast majority of hate groups in the USA are faith-based, mostly Christian (see Southern Poverty Law Center). It isn’t just the KKK or the Westboro Baptist church that use the bible to justify their awful hate and fear-mongering and terrible activities.  Look at the many well-known (notorious) religious figures and politicians, as well as the Rush Limbaughs, the Mike Huckabees and Pat Robertsons who all justify their hate-mongering on the bible, which I believe they scarcely understand.  They surely don't know true biblical history, or the history of the biblical countries where the Abrahamic religions originated.  The fact that so many people still think of Christ as a white guy is flabberghasting!  The point is, I do not believe that putting one religious book in schools is going to solve our problems-in America, The Melting Pot, no one religion's book should be in tax-payer funded schools-I get to choose what religions my kids are exposed to-and I definitely do not choose the hate-mongering that is rampant among people who call themselves Christians but surely do not know what Christ stood for.  I also do not choose the constant misinterpretation and misapplication of scripture, knowing that so many who scream about their bible don't even know what it truly says. 

Someone told me that the bible promotes hope… how does teaching discrimination to our children, how does teaching them to hate a group of people promote hope?  Christ promoted hope. Many Christians today, and incorrect and hateful biblical interpretations, do not.  The bottom line is that public schools are funded by taxpayers of every religion and spiritual and non-religious belief and tax money shouldn't be used to promote only one religion.

I grew up in a hunting family, am a retired veteran married to an active duty soldier who has more than 22 years, and I enjoy shooting when we can.  I enjoy shooting the M4 semi-automatic-it is honestly a lot of fun to shoot.  I even like having larger capacity magazines (who wants to reload after only a few rounds?)  I appreciate having a freezer full of meat as it is healthier and reduces the grocery bill.  

However, as you eluded to in a recent interview, Americans must seriously reflect on these issues. The common ground for gun owners and non-gun owners is that not one of us wants the innocent to suffer and die to guns.  We need to build a foundation for solution on that common ground.  You have your work cut out for you on this issue-with hostility likely from both left and right sides of the issue.  There seem to be few willing to compromise and come to the middle.  As a centrist, I trust you will evaluate every piece of this puzzle and I will support the reasonable and rational conclusions your team comes to.

Sincerely,

Reverend Renée L. Ten Eyck

cc:

Vice President Joe Biden

Governor John Hickenlooper

Udpdate January 5, 2013

 I've been watching, and re-watching "Michael and Me," a documentary  where nationally syndicated radio and TV talk show Larry Elder makes significant arguments for private gun ownership.  His focus is the issue of self defense. There are very significant statistics, and, since we MUST look at every aspect of this issue, I recommend this documentary wholeheartedly, as a summary of information that is critical to the gun-law discussion.  http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Me-Larry-Elder/dp/B0009PW03Q/ref=wl_it_dp_o_pC_nS_nC?ie=UTF8&colid=2UDN43UU9UCR1&coliid=I17DB46IVTJ2AC  

Some of the key points of this documentary include the following:

-Census surveys have some data on defensive gun use

-some of the reasons people who have used their guns defensively do NOT report their defensive gun use include:
               1. they're not sure if their own possession is legal in their district (this I can see, since though I own guns, I'm not entirely certain about the local laws and how they apply to different situations)
               2. people are not sure if their defensive actions would be viewed as defensive or would be considered legal in their jurisdiction.
              3. people are not sure if they could be jailed while their case is investigated

 -Paxton Quigley states that not only is there a psychological fear primarily among women, but there is a social norm that believes that guns always equal violence, are ONLY for men, and it is not lady-like for women to own them  (another female commenter states afterward that guns need to be demystified -women are not typically socialized to learn guns, unlike riding bikes, where we are all taught to ride, regardless of gender)

-People without guns can still die by them, and a ban on guns will not stop men from raping
-framers of the 2nd Amendment were concerned with tyranny, though early on the colonies prohibited slaves and free blacks from owning guns.  During the Civil Rights era, violence by the KKK and police was common. Pacifist civil rights workers were killed.  KKK frequently terrorized civil rights workers and oppressed the black community, frequently with the aid of local law enforcement (or at least their silent acquiescence );  in Alabama black church leaders began to organize, and started to acquire fire arms.  During one event, a white mob formed when they discovered that the black leadership had been organizing.  The police stood aside doing nothing until they discovered that the black church community had firearms-they protected the mob. 

-Number of kids under 10 years are killed in homes with guns: 50
-Number of kids under 5 who drown in bathtubs, toilets or buckets: 115

-Why should an off-duty cop be the only "wrong guy" a robber encounters-why shouldn't ALL citizens have the right to be the "wrong guy?"

-Rosie O'Donnell spoke out against guns, wanting them confiscated, but has an armed body guard for her children.  Most citizens cannot hire armed guards.  Why do only the wealthy and notable get to have armed defense?

-Among the gun owners with permits, most behave very well-there are very few permits revoked.

-Roger McGrath talks about the Old West:  
         1. the Old West was one of  our most law abiding periods (contrary to Hollywood and popular belief).  The Old West was only wild in certain areas-most communities were very courteous.
         2.  most men and many women were armed.
         3.  the citizenry often handled criminals

-The Bradley bill has not stopped criminals, yet it is not a law enforcement tool

-Statistics show that gun registration has no affect on crime rates (should we be looking at whether something makes a difference)

-bans on the Saturday Night Specials (cheap hand guns, the 'poor man's gun) means that the poor and low income cannot defend themselves, though they are law abiding and value life.

-Gun prohibition =dictatorships (or path to it).  1928 Germany bans firearms; 1933 Hitler used the existing laws to disarm his opponents and Jews and set up his plan to eliminate Jews.



There is a good book by John Lott, Jr., "The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong" and there are many other sources of credible information that is necessary to consider in this discussion.  We cannot afford to leave any piece of this gun-discussion puzzle out of the equation. 

Update January 6, 2013

Comment seen on Facebook, reposted Courtesy of the Christian Left (and an important point to consider:
"Conservatives, getting rid of the welfare system because some people take advantage of it, is like getting rid of the 2nd Amendment and banning all guns, because some people use them for their criminal purposes."

 This does not change the fact that gun owners have an obligation to be part of the solution, and that times have changed since the ratification of the Constitution.  But we are all obligated to analyze every aspect of this issue-every angle, every existing piece of legislation and its effectiveness, and we must understand the fact that the Adam Lanzas are not career criminals; they're crazy and we may not be able to predict them, or prevent their acts of violence.

 January 10, 2013

"You can't sell a car to a friend without letting the government know you've done it. Do you think it should be easier to sell an automatic weapon to an acquaintance than a vehicle?" — John Fugelsang 

I agree with the premise that "if guns make us safer, America should be the safest country in the world," but I also agree that "those without guns can still die because of them."